INTERVIEWS
 
 

March 1, 1996
 

Alice through the looking glass

Caption: Alice Walker

By Deb Price / The Detroit News
Shortly before the release of the much-anticipated film adaptation of her Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Color Purple, Alice
Walker offered a simple hope:

"We may miss our favorite part," she told Ms. magazine about what the movie she'd yet to view might not capture of her
powerful tale. "But what is there will be its own gift, and I hope people will be able to accept that in the spirit that it's given."

Many did find the story of Celie -- a defenseless black girl who ultimately overcomes the vicious abuse she's subjected to by
the black men around her -- to be an amazing gift. But the 1985 blockbuster movie directed by Steven Spielberg also
unleashed a torrent of criticism from within the African-American community:

Walker was accused of hating black men, of conspiring with white Hollywood to degrade the black family by portraying
physical violence, incest, rape and lesbianism. Forums were held throughout the country at which the film's themes were hotly
debated, often by people so angry about what they'd heard about The Color Purple that they refused even to see it. Some
demanded to know why a black man, such as Sidney Poitier, hadn't directed it. Protesters picketed outside the Academy
Award ceremonies after the film received 11 Oscar nominations, including for best picture.

"While I know that some black men have raped their daughters, I know that the vast majority have not," Tony Brown wrote in
Carolina Peacemaker. Echoing the sentiments of many black men, he vowed never to see the film.

"... I offer no excuses for the kinds of men that Walker wrote about; they are, for whatever reason, sad examples. But I know
that many of us who are male and black are too healthy to pay to be abused by a white man's movie focusing only on our
failures," Brown declared.

At the same time the normally reclusive Walker was thrown into a national debate about Hollywood's depiction of African
Americans and the problems confronting black families, she faced three of the most painful experiences of her life: Her mother
suffered a series of debilitating strokes, which finally ended her life in 1993; Walker's partner, Robert, admitted cheating on her,
a confession that ultimately led to their breakup; and, after being bitten by three ticks, she developed Lyme's disease, which
seriously weakened her.

Drawing on 10 years of reflection about this tumultuous time, Walker shares her pains, joys and insights in her latest book, The
Same River Twice: Honoring the Difficult (Scribner, $24).

"What happens with most of us is, that if it's hard, we'd just rather not deal with it," Walker explained in a recent interview.
"We'd rather push it away, forget about it. But actually we could learn a lot that would help us go on with greater courage and
fortitude if we did honor the difficult by acknowledging that it was difficult.

"And there is a lot of celebration in it, too. Because you are saying that, 'Yes, this was difficult, but look what I learned. I
learned this. I learned that I am whole, I am fine.' So the difficulty had its own gift."

She captures this difficult yet rewarding time through a work that reads much like a scrapbook: We read her
never-before-published screenplay, whose more in-depth portrayal of the lesbian relationship between Celie and the lusty blues
singer Shug was not the one chosen for the film. Alongside it are her letters to director Spielberg; songwriter and producer
Quincy Jones, and actor Danny Glover, who played Celie's abusive husband, the controversial Mister. Here, too, are her
thought-provoking journal entries and other mullings about fame, racism, sexism, homophobia and the actual making of the film.

"It's really about being able to reflect and contemplate and gather all the pieces of an experience that had felt, at least part of the
time, rather shattering," says the prolific author, whose five novels, five collections of poetry and other writings have sold nearly
10 million copies and have been translated into more than two dozen languages. "I wanted to explore what I had learned."

She reacted to the backlash against the film first with pain, then numbness and finally "letting go."

"(It) was a rare critic who showed any compassion for, or even noted, the suffering of the women and children explored in the
book, while I was called a liar for showing that black men sometimes perpetuate domestic violence.

"... It was painful to realize that many men rarely consider reading what women write, or bother to listen to what women are
saying about how we feel. How we perceive life. How we think things should be. That they cannot honor our struggles or our
pain. That they see our stories as meaningless to them, or assume they are absent from them, or distorted. Or think they must
own or control our expressions. And us."

Deciding to collaborate on a film about her work, she explains, was "an agonizingly complex gamble."

"Though The Color Purple is not what many wished, it is more than many hoped, or had seen on a movie screen before. It still
moves me after all these years, as I relive the feeling of love that was palpable on the set."

But in her first viewing of the film, she recalls only seeing its flaws. In a letter to a friend, she explained, "It was a bit like seeing a
deformed child and seeing it as deformed, rather than as interestingly, if curiously, different from what had been envisioned.

"... Some changes I dislike very much; some seem hokey, Hollywoodish, juvenile and silly. A lot of points were missed."

For example, Walker, who is bisexual, lamented that Celie's lesbianism was toned down. And Sofia, played by Oprah Winfrey,
looked "too aged" after her jail term.

"But, irregardless," her letter continued, "there's that bouncy, happy kid sweeping across the land, putting out healing and love
as well as craziness -- at some point you think: Why don't more babies have two heads or 12 toes? Or no hair. It's kind of
endearing."

Some of her favorite scenes were the parting of the young Celie and her beloved sister, Nettie; the struggle of Nettie to defend
herself against Mister's sexual advances; the tender kiss between Celie and Shug; Celie's discovery of letters from Nettie that
Mister had hidden; and Shug's first song in the roadhouse.

Although The Same River Twice chronicles many disappointments, it also reveals many joyful moments that Walker
experienced because of the movie, especially during its making.

From the start, Walker played an active role as consultant on the movie set. In a floppy straw gardener's hat, she pitched her
chair and offered the actors tarot card readings and lessons in black folk English. "I sort of tossed in tarot readings as an
incentive to come and learn how to speak like my mother," she says. "And they did!" She helped fine-tune the script, offered
advice about costumes, and even explained which flowers and vegetables Celie should have in her garden.

In the contract, Walker had demanded and secured an agreement that at least half of the off-screen staff be women and people
of color.

"It was something I needed for my own comfort, and for my own piece of mind," Walker says. It meant we were all much more
comfortable. And especially the actors. You know, black actors really suffer in these movies that they make where they're the
only black person."

Willard Pugh, who played Harpo, especially appreciated Walker's influence. "It's good to look up at the end of a scene and not
be the only black man on the set," he said during the filming.

Walker felt the casting was superb.

She calls Whoopi Goldberg's performance as Celie "incredible." Ironically, Goldberg landed the leading female part despite
having written Walker a fan letter much earlier in which she begged "to play a venetian blind, if necessary," just to be a part of
the movie.

Oprah Winfrey was "wonderful" as Sofia, who refused to surrender her self-respect to either her husband or white oppressors.

Superstar Tina Turner was originally offered the part of blues singer Shug. She turned it down, saying it would bring back too
many painful memories for her. Getting the part was Margaret Avery, whom Walker praised for her "immense sweetness,"
"innate, frustrated dignity" and "the vulnerability that's in her eyes."

Danny Glover was not only a "great actor" but "a healer." His performance as Mister "completely reconciled" Walker to her
love for her misogynistic grandfather, on whom the character was based.

"He was very undertanding of the part," Walker says. "... He's struggling and he's imperfect and he's a mess, but he's human
and he's growing. Danny was able to do that. And I think for people who are interested in male growth, this was a very great
gift."

"There was an extraordinary level of love and affection and caring on that set," she concludes.

Two key men -- Steven Spielberg and Quincy Jones -- persuaded a dubious Walker to agree to the film. Early on, Walker
knew little about Spielberg, except his hit film E.T. She wisecracked, "Well, maybe if he can do Martians, he can do us."

She especially treasured Jones, who helped write "Sister" and other songs for the film. His deep appreciation of her artistry, she
says, "was to help some of the pain I felt when other black men attacked me."

For herself, one of the film's greatest gifts came when her mother saw it their hometown theater in Eatonton, Ga. When Walker
was a girl, her sharecropper family had been forced to sit in the balcony in the then-segregated theater.

"It was a terrible thing that she had spent her entire life looking at films and never seeing anything that really resembled her life,"
Walker says of her mother.

In The Color Purple, the ailing woman finally saw her own reflection. And like one of her daughter's determined, self-respecting
characters, she arrived at the theater in an ambulance but wearing high heels.

Excerpt from 'The Same River Twice':

Alice Walker on how she felt about The Color Purple being snubbed at the Academy Awards, despite the movie's 11
nominations (Out of Africa won the Best Picture Oscar that year):

"Because I knew that some of our people wanted awards, for whatever reason, I said nothing about how relieved I was that
The Color Purple did not receive any. It isn't just that I did not know a single soul making decisions on behalf of the Academy,
it was that I was aware of the kind of black characters who had been anointed before. Maids and other white family retainers.
... My instinct was that (the decision-makers) were seriously out-of-balance white men of a certain age, material ease and
social mobility, who would not care for what The Color Purple was about, or even, after a lifetime in Hollywood, know.

"... Out of Africa is reactionary and racist. It glamorizes the rape of Africa and attempts to make the colonists look like saviors.
To say nothing of how it glamorizes Isak Dinesen's life with the 'big game' hunter who gave her syphilis. It patronizes black
people shockingly, and its sly, gratuitous denigration of the black woman is insufferable."
                                                          Copyright 1996, The Detroit News


Walker shares personal moments

JULIE MILLS
Daily Beacon Student Life Editor

Alice Walker reflected on abuse, racism, criticism, the Academy Awards and revealed personal connections toThe Color
Purple in a speech Wednesday night at Alumni Memorial Gym.

Walker began the evening by reading a letter that she had sent to actor Danny Glover in which she recalled how her grandfather
had abused her grandmother for many years.

"He was ... never violent, never raised his voice the whole time I lived with them and yet, the effects of this violence I could see
plainly in Rachel and in her slavish behavior," she said. "It was years later before I realized that she was so beaten down that
none of us ever knew her true personality and she had probably forgotten it."

Walker explained that by bringing to life a character that was similar to her grandfather, Glover had allowed her to come to
terms with her feelings for her grandfather.

"There is such a resistance to feeling anymore pain, to thinking about anything that is harmful, hurtful," she said. "Until we look at
who we actually are as opposed to the constructed image, we never have any way of getting out of whatever bind we are in."

Walker explained how there was an enormous controversy over whether such occurrences as rape and incest, which were
depicted in The Color Purple, reflect real life.

Since The Color Purple was filmed 10 years ago, Walker said she is often asked about her opinion of the final result.

"I found it one of the most difficult questions I've ever tried to answer," she said.

Walker recalled how she got a headache the first time she watched the film because she felt everything about it was wrong. She
said her opinion changed when she attended the premiere.

While the film received 10 Academy Award nominations and much praise, Walker said it was also attacked by people who
loathed it and accused her of hating black men and being a lesbian.

"I often felt isolated, deliberately misunderstood and alone," she said. "I accepted it with all the grace and humor I possessed
still there is no denying the pain of being not simply challenged but condemned."

Walker said she was dealing with a hidden trauma in addition to the attacks. During the filming of her book, she said she was
suffering from Lyme disease while her mother recovered from a stroke.

Walker said a trip to see the trial of Dennis Banks, a Native American who was involved in the American Indian Movement
and extradited from Canada because he was accused of killing an FBI agent, allowed her to recover. She said she felt it was
important to go because of the constant genocide against Native Americans.

"When I got there, I started getting better," she said, "If we go beyond ourselves to witness with someone who is in danger and
if we go beyond ourselves to stand by Mother Earth, this is our hailing, this is when we begin to get our strength back."

Walker said the film was a gift for her mother. She said she had mirrored one of the characters, Nettie, after her mother with
the exception that she had given her all the adventure and no children.

"For me, the filming of my book was a journey to the imagined and vastly rearranged lives of my mother, father and
grandparents," she said. "It was a recreated world I hoped desperately my mother would live long enough to enter again
through film."

Walker admitted she was unprepared for the criticism that she received for choosing Steven Spielberg as the director. She said
she was worried when Spielberg shared his favorite movie with her.

"Steven's feeling of Gone With the Wind was so different from mine that when he said he considered it the greatest movie ever
made I felt the only appropriate response would be to faint," she said.

Walker, who first saw Gone With the Wind in a segregated theater, said she feels as though the film trivializes the suffering of
millions of black people to the point of laughter.

"It is a film in which one spoiled, white woman's summer of picking cotton is deemed more important than the work under the
lash of 20 generations of my ancestors," she said.

For this reason, Walker described how happy she was when The Color Purple was not recognized along with such films like
Gone With the Wind at the Academy Awards.

"Because I know that some of our people wanted awards for whatever reason, I said nothing about how relieved I was that
The Color Purple didn't receive any," she said. "I was aware of the kind of black characters who had been anointed before,
maids and other white family retainers."

The Academy chose Out of Africa as the Picture of the Year instead of The Color Purple.

Walker emphasized that Out of Africa is "reactionary and racist" because it glamorizes the rape of Africa, making the colonists
look like saviors.

"This world view is one the academy understood and upheld and some black people, outraged that one black woman in The
Color Purple might physically express her love for another, let this go by without a murmur as they let go by film after film,
decade after decade, white directors and black, in which women and people of color are insulted, randomly trashed, raped,
battered, brutalized and murdered or their lives are depicted as empty, comical or devoid of meaning," she said.

Walker said she feels society's illiteracy is increasing.

"Even though I write books and believe very much in books, the truth is, as you all know, we have become a fairly illiterate
culture," she said. "In order to communicate real things that you need to say to people, you also need to think of something
visual and I do this with films."

Although her book was made into a film, Walker said she feels that movies often destroy a person's ability to dream from deep
within them. She said there is a connection between a person's dreams and the path they take.

"It destroys your ability to dream dreams that are truly connected to your life," she said. "We have laid ourselves open to all the
ugliness that anybody could possibly imagine. We have very little hope until we can reclaim our dreams."
 

                         Copyright © 1996, The Daily Beacon. All rights reserved.
 

                                                                 Main page


 Año académico 1999/2000
 Asignatura: 4595 - Narrativa en Lengua Inglesa I
 © a. r. e. a./ Dr. Vicente Forés López
 © Francisco Olmedo Fernández
 Universitat de València